Friday, April 6, 2012

My Oh My The Gold Manipulation! Right On Cue The Un-Named Source Appears

NOTE: This piece has been edited at 1:53 a.m. on Saturday April 7, 2011.  I removed all direct quotations from the source piece after we were notified by King World News that they objected to our use of their material. Notwithstanding the fact that my piece is an editorial on their commentary, and at all times directly quoted material was appropriately credited back to their web-page, I have removed quoted sections but the links still are below.  

The other day I posted a piece titled “Stop It! There Was No Manipulation In The Gold Market Today” and in it I highlighted commentary from the likes of Jim Sinclair and Peter Schiff, almost right on cue explain that gold and silver sold off that day as a result of manipulation and not the FED comments.  I urge you to read that post to save me from copying everything again into this post.  Most of my readers already know what was said in there. 

What I also said that day was the following:

Here’s one thing you can be sure of though, within the next 24-72 hours Sinclair’s and Schiff’s words will be echoed by countless other gold bugs who lack the vision to do their own homework. My money is on Eric King’s un-named “London Trader” coming out of the woodwork within the next 24-72 hours to tell us that today’s selling in gold was a manipulated event and on how the Chinese were swallowing up all the gold being sold during today’s “orchestrated” sell-off.

I don’t mean to brag, but, if you read the script enough times you get a feel for what the news flow will be like from the pages of Eric King’s site.  Just as I said would happen, today we heard from the un-named “London Trader”.  My views on this have been posted in the past.  In my March 8, 2012 piece I specifically wrote about why I have a hard time believing unnamed sources.  Nothing has changed.

So without further adieu and as per the script, Eric King’s un-named London Trader came to bat today telling readers what I told them he would be saying.  You can read the piece from his source claiming that the “Federal Reserve’s global war on gold is escalating”.  (His words not mine) I urge you to read the piece first.

If the statements within the piece don’t make you chuckle a bit then really, you need to get out more often. Are we to believe that The Federal Reserve now monitors King World News to gauge sentiment so it can hammer gold?  Really? Stop!!! 

Let’s dissect this foolery shall we?  If you notice, this “London Trader” echoes Jim Sinclair’s commentary almost exactly.  As I expected this London Trader would, he had to mention the fact that  “out back there are trucks carting off some of the remaining Western gold to vaults in the East”.   I told you he/she would mention that the Chinese were stepping up to the plate to buy the West’s “unwanted” gold.  But wait, if the shenanigans were paper based, where did the physical bullion come from?  Oh, and if the Chinese were waiting with orders for  “hundreds of tons of physical gold starting at the $1,610 level and below”, why stop the bleeding at $1,610?  Any professional trader who wants anything in size and is bidding for it knows that the when the market goes south, you go “no-bid” which means you PULL your bids and place them much lower than the market.  If the Chinese were smart they wouldn’t have stepped in at $1,610…they would have pulled their bids and gone lower where according to this trader, many more bids were waiting.  I find it hard to imagine that the selling stopped $2.00 above the $1,610 level because there were orders for hundreds of tons of gold below that level.  Really, when you are talking about $1,610 or $1,612 does it really make any difference if you feel that gold is headed to $4,500 as Jim Sinclair prognosticated? 

But wait, the war has now spread to mining shares! No longer is the cartel attacking the bullion market but the attack has spread to mining shares that according to the London Trader are now getting manipulated by the gold and silver cartel.  Is he/she serious?  Can I chuckle now?  Feel free to take a smoke break if you feel the need to shake your head with me in disbelief.  How dare they touch our mining shares!

I used to believe this stuff.  I really did.  Just go back to my earlier posts and note that I often quoted these same sources. However, as I have previously noted, something clicked in me.  The script seemed too contrived.  These accusations only flew out when the metals had down days.  The Cartel was “losing the war” on up days.  What makes you think the “cartel” wasn’t massively long on the up-days? Why was it that nobody was crying foul on the green closes?  People, if the price of anything can be manipulated downward it can also be manipulated UP.  Don’t you agree that it is reasonable to state that  if there is manipulation to the downside then manipulation to the upside also exists?  If you don’t think so then stop reading right now because nothing anyone says is going to open your eyes.  Save your time and go catch an episode of Jesse Ventura’s Conspiracy Theory.

Here’s what really turned my crank though.  We knew what the London Trader was going to say and we knew he would come out of the woodwork within a couple of days of Sinclair’s commentary.  We knew China would be referenced and we knew that this trader was going to continue to mention that serious tonnage was being moved.  I did not expect him to carry over his thoughts on a “precious metals war” to the mining shares though.  But where his London Trader is wrong is implying that last Monday was a “non” news event day.

I cannot be more emphatic about this point.  Gold and its baby brother, silver, have both risen on the massive amounts of money printing that has been going on. Quantitative easing has often been used as a primary argument for the permabulls when talking about how both meals would fly to the stratosphere because of the massive liquidity that the Federal Reserve has injected into the system.  Market participants therefore listen to the Federal Reserve minutes to obtain clues about the policy decisions that are being contemplated.

IF the Federal Reserve had emphatically stated “We are looking at injecting further liquidity into the system” (easing) you can rest assured that this news would have been front and centre on every permabull site as THE reason why gold and silver would now fly higher.  You can also be guaranteed that the gold and silver markets would have taken off like a rocket ship and that I would have been at my local bullion shop buying as much as I could afford as well.  However the Fed didn’t say that.  They made no mention of any further intent to inject liquidity into the system.  THAT WAS THE NEWS.  The naive assumption that Monday’s Fed minutes constituted a no news day is absurd.  The fact that the Federal Reserve made no mention about further easing was the news that market participants used to sell the gold that they bought in anticipation of additional easing.

I pointed this out in other posts when Dallas FED president Fisher hinted that further easing was simply a Wall Street fantasy.  Yet, investors seemed content on believing what the permabulls preached and bought gold and silver on speculation of further easing.  Speculators chose to buy in anticipation of news instead of waiting for news.  When they didn’t hear what they wanted to hear, they sold and stops were hit along the way.   This is not unlike speculators purchasing shares in a pharmaceutical company because they think their new miracle drug will get FDA approved.  When that approval doesn’t materialize, the shares sell-off.  There are no pharma-cartels manipulating the stocks of pharmaceutical companies.  Instead, speculators dump when they don’t get the news they speculated would arrive.  This is not unlike a junior mining company whose shares sell-off when they release poor drill results.

In that sense, the gold and silver markets didn’t sell-off because of manipulation but because over zealous speculators gambled on the wrong news.  So you see why the London Trader is wrong;  Contrary to his/her views, There was news last Monday if you chose to look for it.. news that implied that there would be no additional easing in the immediate future unless market conditions deteriorated first.  What is laughable is that he/she considered Monday a non-news day.  Why was it acceptable for the gold and silver markets to rally a week earlier when Bernanke praised Federal Reserve policies and had his words misconstrued to mean that he was ready to announce QE3?  Those very same people who bought into the wrong interpretation of his comments were the ones that sold when he made no such comments in the minutes.  I pointed this out to readers on that date but speculators went off on a gold buying spree only to be disappointed on Monday.

As I have mentioned before, gold and silver will rise when news of additional liquidity injections occurs or when it is speculated to occur.  You can’t use the argument to support a hypothesis as to why the gold market will rise and then ignore the very opposite argument when no further liquidity measures are activated and the price of gold falls. 

I remain of the view that we will see additional easing in one way shape or form if the market conditions warrant it.  I am not saying there won’t be any more central bank action.  I will assess the news at that time though and make my decisions then.  “Speculating” on news is exactly why the market sells off when they don’t hear the news they gambled on hearing. It doesn’t sell off because the bullion banks want it to because remember, there is nothing stopping the bullion banks from running up the prices of the metals by going massively long, leaving the shorts in the dust.

To end I will simply say that I expected KWN to pull the London Trader out of the hat but for this trader to say that Monday was a non-news day is absurd.  To say that the bullion banks have now launched an attack on the mining shares is even more absurd and to imply that China was ready to buy gold by the truckloads if it hit $1,610 but didn’t at $1,612 is laughable. Again, what difference is two dollars or even ten at these levels if the price is headed to $4,500?  They were heavy buyers in the $1700’s weren’t they?

There is manipulation in every market in one way shape or form but please, I am getting tired of hearing the same old arguments every time the market acts the way it is supposed to act when it doesn’t get the news it expected.

All of them, Sinclair, Schiff, Turk, Sprott, Embrey, the fine folks at GATA and many more that I won’t name are very bright individuals.  However, there comes a point when arguments that are well intended start to come off as absurd.  Don’t think for a moment that just because these conspiracy opinions are being repeated almost verbatim every time gold has a down day somehow makes those statements any more true. 

For heaven’s sake just look at the math.   Gold rose from $250.00 to over $1,900 an ounce.  Silver rose from under $10.00 to over $48.00 an ounce.  If we are to believe that the bullion banks are supressing the price of the metals and manipulating the market then by gosh they are  doing a horrible job given that gold has been the best performing asset over the last 10 years.  Think about it …  A manipulated market that is accused of being “supressed” does not rise 675% in 10 years or in the case of silver, over 400%.  Gold has been the best performing asset this past decade but not for the reasons you are being led to suspect. Fire everyone at JPM and HSBC for their horrible efforts!

As I pointed out to a loyal reader the other night in reply to a comment, these opinions are my own.  I acknowledge this fact 100%.  You can chose not to listen to me just as you can freely choose to listen to the permabulls.  However, bear in mind that unlike 99% of the permabulls, I have nothing to sell you.  I am bullish longer term but not because of any conspiracy. 

Gold and silver will rise longer term because of the actions of the Central Banks around the world.  Inflation will drive them both higher IF we don’t get a massive deflationary event first. However, never be afraid to question sources, no matter what their expertise is.  Just like I am never right, neither are these so-called experts.  I will be buying physical metal when the prices reach a point where I feel they are a good buy or when I feel that the threat of really significant inflation is upon us. So far, the dollar death is nowhere closer to reality than it was when it started making headlines on all the permabull sites 4 years ago.  How many times has Sinclair or Bob Chapman warned of an “event” coming up in a week or two with time passing and such an event never materialized?  How many times have you heard that there will be a bank holiday next month according to a “source” over the last 4 years?  How many have we had?  See my point?

By all means, own gold and silver in your portfolios as I do … but buy it for the right reasons.   Until the facts prove otherwise, cash still remains king because it is the only instrument by which I can purchase my necessities of daily living.  We may all hate fiat but last time I checked, I can only feed my family and fuel my car if I use it.  Buy some gold and silver and put it away. You will be happy in 10-15 years. Too many investors though have bought into the “I must own it now” crowd because they have bought into the notion that the end of the fiat world is upon us … just as it was 4 years ago.

I might have more to add on this tomorrow.  Right now it’s late and quite frankly, I want to relax on the couch and catch some highlights from Baseball’s opening day. It has been a very long day for me just as it was for my Toronto Blue Jays who today won the longest extra innings game in opening day history.

34 comments:

  1. How are those apple and silver puts treating you

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    1. Anon ..... I can take the hit......seems you can't accept the hit you most certainly took by buying a shitload of silver at 45.00 or more given your insistance on pointint to TWO losing trades. You made your point einstein ..... I won't be publishing any more troll-like comments.

      You see I can absorb those minescule losses given the shitload I made and can brag about by shorting gold and silver when you were most probably backing up the truck.

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  2. Agreed the end of fiat world is not on us. But don't you think USD is on the verge of losing its reserve status. The western world is no longer the production powerhouse it was 30 years ago. BRICS and OPEC nations are providing most of the things that need to be bought. These countries are making agreements with China for local currency trading. Do you think this might cause USD to lose its status? What are the consequences? Will the banking sector in the western world particularly US, survive such a change. US will no longer be able to gain all the money spent by the world in USDs, to finance its deficit. How will it survive then?

    BRICS countries are now getting into deficit so as to get rid of their USD reserves. Where will all these reserves go ultimately. Who will buy the US Treasuries. Who will finance US deficit.

    I think that a banking crisis is imminent, because of loss of USD status and subsequent loss of faith in the currency. How long it will take, is anybody's guess but it is not very far away.

    Another question why is the market in a yoyo going into USD and then the next day going into commodities. Are traders really making money here? Shouldn't they do something permanent about it?

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  3. stay on it Dan - you can help a few poor misguided minions see the light.

    Unfortunately, the Metals Machine is merciless when it comes to cranking out misinformation. Take note of the psychology involved:
    1) confirmation bias is key. people don't want reality, they just want to be told they're right
    2) it's US against THEM - tell them that they're fighting a war and you need their help: we're all in this together against the Evil Cartel!

    I'm sure right now there are masters psych theses being written about these textbook tendencies used by the Metals Blogosphere to recruit new members for their army...

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  4. sorry dan - I forgot the 3rd part of the pumper recipe, which is the one you nailed in this post:

    3) keep repeating the same thing no matter how wrong it is - if you repeat it enough it automatically becomes accepted as "Fact" - and others quote it as well, helping the "faith" in the theory

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  5. One minor quibble:

    "Gold and silver will rise longer term because of the actions of the Central Banks around the world. Inflation will drive them both higher IF we don’t get a massive deflationary event first."

    Gold will be driven higher, not by inflation, but by persistently-negative real interest rates.

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    1. u r a moron... the "real" in ur interest rate is return minus inflation.

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  6. This is one of those politics or religion like topics. Whatever your view you dig in your heels so it's a pointless debate.

    !00% free trading and non price manipulated market? Of course and Oswald killed JFK too.

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    1. You mean Oswald didn't kill JFK? Mon dieu!!!! ;-)

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  7. Ted Butler's ears were burning I guess...

    http://goldsilver.com/news/the-who-how-and-why-behind-silver-price-manipulation/

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    1. More of the same rhetoric .... Nothing else and no proof just
      speculation" that JP Morgan is the big commercial short. Did you expect him to say anything else?

      Someone should ask the permabulls how an asset can rise almost 700% (gold) and 400% in the case of silver in a "supressed" market.

      Thanks for the link nonetheless but he is merely repeating the same script. At the end of the day, they are just trying to sell you something GIR ... the last link is all the proof you need. Silver is going to the moon and "here's how" you can get some!

      You are actually helping me make my point.

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    2. Yes Dan and you're making my point about this being just like politics and religion, partisans digging in is all (:

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    3. GIR .... It's all discussion my friend. As I said before, let's agree to disagree on this point but never forget I have stated I am a long term metals bull but not for the reasons spewed by the usual suspects. But I am currently cautious because there is a real possibility we may see sidewards to possibly lower price movement in the shorter term time frame. Lower prices aren't bad for bulls....they provide opportunity to buy at lower prices.

      Remember.....these are just my own opinions which is why I started this blog. Nobody ever bats 100% but to hear the same rhetoric from the usual gang of suspects does, you must admit, become tiresome. I used to quote King's guests all the time but after a while, I started to spot the patterns and started to think for myself.

      Now, I must prepare my family for Good Friday Mass and then a beautiful seafood dinner with my 82 year old father-in-law who just beat cancer at the expense of half a lung. THAT matters most...Cheers!!!!!

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  8. Kid - You forgot one...a very important one: 4) Victimization

    Everyone's a victim. What a sad, sorry state of affairs when those that are ahead of the curve in preparing for the coming calamity jump in with all the rest of the pathetic sacks and wave the victim flag.

    Dan - I used to be in the same boat. Would put way too much weight into this nonsense. I finally realized about 3-4 months ago that it's a total waste of time. What really set me off was that complete bullshit here recently about how the "Evil Cartel" tried to unsuccessfully "dump" 47 times the world's silver mining output (or whatever fantasy number they concocted) in 7 minutes a few min before close on a Friday as evidenced by a bad data feed from Netdania.

    So thanks guys for keeping your head on straight. I'm super long the real metal, but uber short the nonsense and noise. If only there were an ETF that tracked the stupidity of KWN. Hmmmm, maybe SKWN; 4x bullSHIT the aggregate of the "unnamed source" composite.

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  9. Re: King World News -- Sprott, Embry, Turk all sell the product, then there are several gold fund managers quoted repeatedly who have a vested interest in encouraging people to invest in their funds. If they want to be bullish 24/7 so be it, that's their choice and their bias. It's just important that readers of KWN are aware of this.

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    1. Sounds like you get it wood chuck. They all have something to sell you!!! It is their best interest to keep the "sexy" in silver.

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    2. I't only one year that i'm a silver bug. I posted translations from KWN & Co in my italian site, but i than began realizing exactly your points: they all have something to sell you. I'm glad i found your voice too in the net.

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    3. Everyone has *something* to sell, and with religious/cult figures, many of them will be satisfied if you adopt their view point. You don't need to buy anything from them, except for their views. Seen, in this light, many bloggers are sellers too, even though the urge might be unconscious, and hence not recognized by themselves. Gold has often been called a religion. The point of what I've just said? Namely that some of the posters here are also sellers, although they may not recognize it.

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  10. "Swiss bid to peg 'safe haven' franc to the euro stuns currency traders" -sept 6th 2011

    On sept 6th last year gold dropped $55 dollars for no reason whatsoever 10 minutes before this headline was released. That headline should have vaulted gold up by $100. That event was the turning point for me. Since then I have had no doubt about the shenanigans being played with the price. That's my last word on this topic.

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  11. Hohoho! K wasn't happy? interesting.
    Thanx Dan!

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  12. KWN asked you to pull what was normal quotation and linking as done on many other blogs? Hit a raw nerve obviously. Very interesting.

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    1. yeah - wait a second - WTF is up with this, Dan? why did you pull your clear debunking of their nonsense? Did they complain when every other silver blog posted their crap without bothering to think about how wrong it was?

      KWN complained because you shredded them, IN ADVANCE??? ridiculous.

      I am 100% in favor of sites not stealing content from other sites, but that is completely different from what you did: quote, cite, link to, and respond to nonsense written on another site.

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    2. Yeah Kid..... Makes you wonder doesn't it?

      I retorted with the fact that at no time did I claim the work to be my own and claimed that under the "fair use" rule of copyright the general public is entitled to freely use portions of copyrighted materials for the purposes of providing commentary and criticism.

      In fact, at no time did I even attack KWN but instead my post was intended to comment ant criticize the words of his unnamed trader.
       
      There can be no mistaking the fact that I was not claiming it to be my own and all credit was provided to KWN and his interviewed subjects. Furthermore I didn't claim King's views and opinions, or those of his subjects as my own.

      I had to quote the entire interview so as not to give the impression that I was taking the interview out of context or being "selective" in the portions I used.

      Because I'm a nice guy though, I did remove the quotes but the links to the stories remain.

      At the end of the day, if they intend to force the issue further as they threatened, I will demand that the unknown and unnamed trader's name be revealed. You see, what this Trader is saying and how he is saying it might have significant "compliance" implications for the Trader in the interview. As anyone involved with regulatory compliance knows, Traders cannot be talking in the manner in which his London guy talks....about who is buying and other items frequently mentioned without serious compliance ramifications. If anyone should have issue with what I quoted it should be the trader, not King. That is, if we believe this person actually exists.

      You are right though, hundreds of sites quote King's interviews for the "bullish" argument without incident. That use appears to be perfectly acceptable for folks at KWN.

      The fact I was critical of his "guest" was what struck a nerve with them. I'm glad you and others can see right through this.

      In the end though, I'm a fair guy and if they wanted the quotes removed then fair enough....I complied with their request. If anything, their bias is even more apparent now.

      Fair use allows for use of material for commentary and criticism. They don't want to see it that way ... Oh well! Such is life in the blog world.

      Some silver tin foil hatter must have emailed them.....quite frankly, I'm sure my readers are bright enough to see through their motives.

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    3. Dan - so it sounds like you're saying that they threatened you??

      Look, I can understand your desire not to want to deal with that kind of bs, but it's anything but "fair."

      email me offline if you wish..

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  13. How about narrowing down the field into two groups?
    Group 1 = persons who participated in the gold bull run of the 70s-80s, and brought low & sold close to the peak.
    Group 2 = persons not in group 1, but nevertheless have an awful lot to say about gold.

    Do you believe that the comments of group 2 persons carry equal weight as those of group 1 persons?

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    1. I think we need a group 3 to balance the debate.....how about the people who lost their fortunes buying close to the peak in the 80's. I think they need to be included and asked what made them buy so high.

      There an aweful lot of people pushing gold and silver today who were still hanging off their mother's teet during that 70's/80's era.

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  14. Great post Dan, sorry just getting caught up, Like you with Good Friday and of course Easter I shut my PC down and promised to not fire it back up till Sunday ( I lost the bet, I owe my wife a night on the town, poor me :)

    Anyway nothing to add that was not 100% spot on and already said. Adding to my FXE Puts, Spain is in deep with more failed Auctions this week, and from what I have read they need to raise 180 billion Euro by years end...Ok sure go with that.

    Again CASH! IS KING again, until its not..Nuff said.

    Thanks for all you do Dan, and Kings world News grow a set and back up your claims with REAL facts. I was a daily reader of Kings world News but have fallen off due to the same old same old just like I have fallen off as a reader of ZeroHedge. I consider both of these sites to be the National Enquirer of the financial Media on the web.

    This is of course my personal Opinion of these two sites only, and if no one likes it Tuff.

    Happy Ester too all

    Bill

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  15. Interesting I think that London Trader is only quoted in text and no audio interview is ever made public (not that I'm aware) while ever other interview had audio. A theory: because if the audio was released people would recognise Andrew Maguire's voice?

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  16. "Think about it … A manipulated market that is accused of being “supressed” does not rise 675% in 10 years or in the case of silver, over 400%. Gold has been the best performing asset this past decade but not for the reasons you are being led to suspect. Fire everyone at JPM and HSBC for their horrible efforts!" Well, actually, if the market in question would have risen far more than it did in the absence of manipulation then the manipulators would have done a very good job of manipulation despite the actual rise. Which is just to say this still seems like an open question to me but it's definitely a good thing for you to point out that there is a question and not just the "fact" of manipulation. Time will tell. Maybe.

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    1. The London Gold Pool is proof that the price of gold can rise (% much less) in spite of the fact that the US and seven other countries tried their best to prevent this.

      The % was much less, because at that time, the central bank gold holdings were substantially MORE than now.

      Question: When you are attempting to suppress a price, by dumping a product on the market, do you think that the amount of the product available for dumping makes a difference? And how might this affect the percentages?

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    2. Further... BIS Papers 27, "Past and future of central bank cooperation: policy panel discussion", from their conference Fourth BIS Annual Conference, 27-29 June 2005, p.1-2 says, "Before turning briefly to an assessment of past efforts and likely future challenges, it is perhaps worth spending a minute on what is meant by central bank cooperation... (snip snip) ... Fourth, the efficient international dissemination of both ideas and information that can improve national policymaking. And last, the provision of international credits and joint efforts to influence asset prices (especially gold and foreign exchange) in circumstances where this might be thought useful."

      In light of the fact, that it is old news that the central banks work together to influence gold prices, what do the forum posters here expect for readers to understand by "gold price manipulation", because apparently, it is not this.

      http://www.bis.org/publ/bppdf/bispap27.pdf

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